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Tonight on Sightings, has science discovered the secret of cryonics and would you be willing

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to be frozen to death to extend your life?

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If it really can be done, I'm looking at immortality.

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And speaking of immortality, does the dead victim of an electrocution still haunt this

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house?

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There's something got a hole in my hair and lifted me up.

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More cameras captured evidence that even we can't explain.

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Light the kitchens going on and off.

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And an entire town that believes they've shared past lives together.

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My name is Millie Spurl.

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Now, and during the Civil War, it was honey.

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I got wanting to be started to appear.

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They had large, dark eyes, small, like hands.

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I began sensing and knowing and feeling.

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I do believe in life after death.

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I mean, I've been there.

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We have not scratched the surface of what the mind can do.

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It's a connection with the unknown.

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Is it possible to cheat death?

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Can we be brought back to life months, even years after dying?

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There are scientists who are betting on the fact that one day, death won't be permanent.

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And some people are taking the biggest gamble of their lives.

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They're being frozen and mummified in a quest for immortality.

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In January 1985, a severe blizzard hit Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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At the height of the storm, two-year-old Michael Trac wandered outside his home.

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In minutes, he was frozen solid.

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But miraculously, he was brought back to life.

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He was, without any question, dead at the scene.

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And he was dead for a period of time here as well.

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But knowing that, because of how cold he was, knowing that you're not dead until you're

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warm and dead, we knew that we had to give him the chance that he deserved.

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Michael's complete recovery astonished his doctors, and he is now living proof that a

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frozen human was indeed brought back to life.

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It's an exciting possibility for science.

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The resuscitation of a frozen person has inspired some scientists to try to take the process

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one step further.

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Cryonics is the extremely controversial science of freezing a person's body, or just the head,

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immediately after medical death.

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The hope is that someday they can be unfrozen and brought back to life.

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Cryonics is an experimental process, and it's experimental because we don't know what the

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ultimate outcome is going to be.

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We have a different opinion about where you draw the line between life and death.

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I don't think you can get dead people back from back to life.

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That's impossible.

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They're dead.

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How could you?

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I don't think that these people necessarily are dead.

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Once a cryonics patient is declared legally dead, the body is connected to life support

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systems.

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Cryo protective drugs are administered to minimize damage from the freezing process.

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It takes three to five days to gradually freeze a body.

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What you're seeing is the inside of a cryogenic doer, and those are aluminum pods down there

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which contain our patients.

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Patient is inside the pod wrapped in a sleeping bag.

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Right now there's only two ways of putting people into cryonic suspension.

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Their whole bodies can be suspended like these people down here.

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Some people choose only to have their brains put into cryonic suspension.

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Right now, our methods of suspension are so crude, none of these people will be recovered

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unless we can fix them one solid a time.

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If you can do that, then it's a very small little bit extra to ask that you take any

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one of the millions of cells that has the entire DNA which is a blueprint for your entire

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body and just grow a new one around the existing brain.

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Is cryonic science or science fiction?

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To date, three companies worldwide have frozen 40 people from all walks of life, and 600

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more have signed up.

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But the medical community is universal in its condemnation of the process.

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I think it's misleading to people.

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I think that it's giving some false hopes, again at least at this point.

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It's a rational gamble because what they're doing is committing a relatively small amount

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of resources to the problem.

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And it's a personal issue.

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How much is your life worth gambling on?

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I mean, if this pays off and you end up with an indefinite lifespan in a world filled with

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all kinds of possibilities we can hardly imagine now, what's it worth to you?

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Bring me back.

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I don't care how.

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Bring me back into the future.

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I want to be there.

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I want to witness this.

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I want to be able to get out of this freezing suspension or whatever they put me into to

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get me back.

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I want to be able to stand there and say, Bill, you've made it.

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You're really here in the future.

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The most important thing is that if they can do that, if it really can be done, I'm looking

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at immortality.

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You don't ever have to die.

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You're not dead when you come out of the tank.

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You're not coming back from the dead.

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You're simply been put in suspension.

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Waiting for science to catch up with us is basically all we're doing.

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I don't want to go out with a bang.

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I don't want to go out with a whimper.

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I want to go out with a strategy.

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In case of death, see reverse for biostasis protocol.

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Push 50,000 U-Heparin IV and do CPR while cooling with ice to 10 Celsius.

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Those who wish to be frozen upon death wear special identification tags, which give explicit

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instructions about how to freeze the body and who to contact.

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Well, let's say it doesn't work, OK?

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So you lose some money.

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You lose your life.

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You're frozen.

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You lose that.

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But if it does work, well, then you get to live and everybody rots on the ground except

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you.

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Clearly, there's no guarantees.

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It's like it's your only shot.

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Is immortality really within our grasp?

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While cryomists seek answers through futuristic high technology, others try to cheat death

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are looking to the past to an ancient Egyptian process called mummification.

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When permanent body preservation or mummification of the cells are perfectly preserved, possibly

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science may sometime in the future be able to duplicate that genetic message, re-duplicate

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a body.

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Mummification is the only process that is a permanent process of preservation.

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The mummification process, the first step is basically to remove the organs from the

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body which has been embodied.

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Then everything is placed in the vat with the body and it is soaked.

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This is the preservative, the active preservative.

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All the organs are coated with polyurethane.

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The cavity has been coated with polyurethane.

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Everything is returned to the body and then the body is closed.

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A lot of people really feel basically that they don't want the body to go through what

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is referred to as the corruption, the decomposition of the body.

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They want the body to stay intact.

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Mummification and cryonics raise profound questions about what might happen to these

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bodies in the future.

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Will we ever reach a point where these preserved bodies can live again or is reanimating a corpse

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just another horror movie plot?

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Some scientists believe it is the new reality of future generations.

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Coming up, does the dead victim of an electrocution still haunt this house?

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Our cameras captured evidence that even we can't explain.

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Lighten the kitchens going on and off.

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Ghosts.

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Many parapsychologists believe that their collections of electrical energy and conventional

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scientists agree electromagnetism is all around us.

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But paranormal researchers take it one extraordinary step further.

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They believe electromagnetism has a personality, that it can be the outward manifestation of

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a tortured soul in limbo.

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On July 28, 1974, Larry Richard Roach, an unemployed electrician, ended his own life with one

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rifle blast to the chest.

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Before his suicide, Larry Roach had been severely injured on the job.

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Electric shock had left him physically and mentally disabled.

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He had seizures, was emotionally unstable, and when his wife left him, Larry Roach became

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despondent and took his own life.

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Today, near Dallas, Texas, in this quiet neighborhood, a new family lives in the house where Larry

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Roach committed suicide.

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It was supposed to be the Lamonus family's dream house.

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They finally had a backyard for the children and plenty of room.

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But their happiness has been short-lived.

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They believe something is trying to force them out.

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Three weeks after we moved in, strange things started to happen.

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I had walked from the dining room into the kitchen, and about then something got a hold

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of my hair and lifted me up.

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And I started hollering, paying, paying help me.

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And she turned around and looked and she said I was just like a haze all over me, like a

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glow, like I had lit up.

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Most of the disturbances in the house seem to be related to strange electrical energy

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that had an almost human form.

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It affected appliances, the telephone, the lights.

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The phone answering machine played back messages spontaneously.

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He reached 642.

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He reached 642.

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Then a frightening apparition appeared in the kitchen.

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Well, once I just felt like something was in the kitchen, I just felt like something

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was staring at me.

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And I turned around and I looked and I seen laying on the floor like a whole figure of

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a man's body.

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I was terrified.

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So I got up and when I did it just vanished away like one up to the air and smoke, up

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into the kitchen light.

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And the terror only worsened.

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Started getting worse and worse in the house.

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It got to where I was scared to stay here.

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Late at night, eerie footsteps would echo throughout the house.

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The apparition paced outside the bedroom doors.

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And the activity in the house took a sinister turn.

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Did the apparition want the family dead?

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I came home one afternoon and the gas stove had been turned on and Joe was asleep on the

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sofa.

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I came in, smelled the gas at the front door, left the front door open because you could

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not even walk in and it really scared me.

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After this incident, Pam started to ask neighbors about the history of the house.

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I told Pam something has happened in this kitchen and she said, well, mother, I think

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you're right.

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So she went to investigate with her neighbors and they did explain to her that a man had

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committed suicide in the kitchen.

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The Lomonas is wondered if it was Larry Roach's angry restless spirit that was tormenting

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their lives.

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Desperate to find out, Pam contacted psychics, Donna Paul and Carol Williams.

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Pam called me.

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She was very disturbed.

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Her voice was shaking.

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She said, I have someone in my house and it's a ghost.

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I did feel cold spots in a few of the rooms and as we were just sitting there in the living

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room, living area, I started feeling the tingling sensation that I feel when a spirit is there.

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Just before the 18th anniversary of the suicide, the psychics hold a seance they hope will

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drive Larry Roach's spirit from the house.

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Carol, Donna and other psychics joined together with the Lomonas family.

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We've come here tonight to bring in the spirit of Larry from this house and we're going

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to attempt to send Larry to the light.

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I think that you committed suicide.

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You killed yourself.

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I just pulled that trigger.

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A rush of energy fills the room.

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Pam feels something touching her.

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He wants to touch my ear.

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I don't know.

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Larry, we know you're here.

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There's no reason for you to be in this house any longer.

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It's time for you to move into the other dimensions of light.

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You can no longer stay here.

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Move toward the light.

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There was a good seance.

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I could feel it.

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I could feel it when the chairs were shaking, everything.

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I knew it was here, but it didn't, did not leave and I don't think it's going to ever

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leave this house because it kept saying over and over.

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This is my home.

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This is my home.

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To see if a spirit could be inhabiting the home, a sighting's camera operator stays

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at the house alone.

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Okay, there's an awful lot of static electricity in the air right now.

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It seems to be coming from that tool shed.

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We found out later the tool shed was the last place Larry Roach was seen alive.

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The dog's barking at something.

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There's nothing there.

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330.

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I just felt something in the air on this area here, this hall.

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Flashlight's going out.

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I don't understand because I just put batteries in it.

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The light in the kitchen's going on and off, but I'm not touching it.

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It's 5 a.m. right now.

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There's a weird smell.

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I don't know what it is.

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There's a lot of electricity in the air, more now than before.

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The warning light and the camera's on.

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Why are the batteries dark?

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Larry Roach seems to have made his presence felt even to our crew member, and the Lomonas'

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still fear the unearthly phenomena in their home.

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In the coming weeks, we'll return to Dallas for an update.

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Coming up next, an entire town that claims to have shared past lives together.

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My name is Millie Spurl.

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Now.

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Later in the Civil War, it was honey.

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Our investigation uncovered startling evidence of reincarnation.

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When Sigmund Freud first introduced his theories about the importance of hypnosis, he was laughed

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at and ridiculed by his colleagues.

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Since then, hypnotherapy has gradually gained widespread acceptance.

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But now, a controversial new type of hypnotherapy is once again asking us to look at our lives

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in an astounding new way.

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It's the serious study of past life therapy.

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Even traditional doctors are starting to wonder if hypnotized patients can really recall that

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they have lived before in a different body.

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I got involved at first with past life therapy as a seemingly spontaneous or accidental thing.

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I was chairman of psychiatry, very much academically trained and left brained.

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Dr. Brian Weiss is a respected psychiatrist and author of two books on past life therapy.

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No medical organization has come out really and endorsed this.

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Oftentimes, they'll come up to me and say, I've had this marvelous experience where my

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patient has, but don't tell anyone.

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I get that a lot.

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One startling new case has doctors and hypnotherapists reexamining their beliefs.

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It all started in the small town of Lake Elsinore, California.

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Here under hypnosis, more than 30 people all recalled that they had lived and died together

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more than 100 years ago.

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Under the guidance of Marge Reader, a hypnotherapist for 16 years, Maureen Williamson was the first

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to speak of this shared past life.

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There was something, an incident that happened to me when I was really young and I was interested

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in the details.

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It started initially with a name and the name I had come up with was John Ashford.

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She said, oh, he's my husband.

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Well, that was not her husband's name.

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And I said, well, where are we?

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Well, we're in Millboro.

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In Marge Reader's practice, it's not unusual for someone to recall a past life, but what

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happened next startled the hypnosis community.

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So then she looked at me and she said, I saw Joe back there.

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And I said, Joe, who?

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She said, Joe Nazarowski.

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He owned a security office down here on Main Street.

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Joe Nazarowski came to see Marge Reader and without prompting told stories that were

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strikingly similar.

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During a civil war time, I went to Millboro and my primary function there was that in

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the event that the war were to go badly for the Confederacy to blow up the tunnel so that

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they could not use those materials against our military.

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Marge probed deeper with Maureen and she recalled that even more people from Lake Elsinore could

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have had a history in Millboro, Virginia.

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And then she said, I saw Millie back there.

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Barbara Roberts was sitting in the room and Barbara wrote me a note and said, ask her

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if I'm there.

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And I said, is Barbara Roberts back there in Virginia?

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She says, yes, she's my mother-in-law.

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She's John's mother.

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And from there on out, it's just snowballed.

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Maureen, who was the first to speak of Millboro, brought her husband in to see Marge.

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Under hypnosis, he recalled that he had been Maureen's lover in Millboro.

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Marge and I have found out under regressions is that I am still in love with the lady and

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I always have been for 130 years.

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The Civil War, for example, is a very popular period.

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A lot of people have been there.

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I have people finding their own gravesites.

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They find their names.

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They know their way around and they've never been in that area before.

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So this is extremely possible, probable.

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And I applaud this research.

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This is the type of thing that more people should have the courage to do.

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Marge Reader has documented the first case of mass regression in her book, Mission to

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Millboro.

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As amazing as these stories are, skeptics argue that Marge was somehow influencing her

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patients unconsciously.

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So we decided to go on our own mission to Millboro for evidence of this shared past

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life.

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Our first step was to search for a boarding house, which almost everyone had spoken of

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under regression, and we found it.

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My boarding house didn't have that much to do with the Civil War because I had the regular

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borders and I fed a lot of people and I baked a lot of bread.

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Under regression, nearly everyone recalled a graveyard where Maureen, as Becky Ashford,

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was buried.

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Just outside of town, we found a family plot.

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I had been told by several people, Becky's grave is about a mile and a half outside

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of town.

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The graves are untended, the grass is high.

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Joe told me all along it's in an enclosure, there's a little iron gate fence and that's

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just what we found.

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Joe Nazarowski recalled that his name in 1861 was Charlie Patterson, a West Point graduate.

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A trip to the West Point Archives uncovered this photograph taken in 1861.

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Look at that here is Charlie Patterson of Milborough, Virginia.

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Joe also recalled a tunnel that he was supposed to blow up during the Civil War.

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We found the tunnel and even these holes where he could have placed dynamite charges.

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So we're going to place the dynamite to make sure that if the Yankees came through that

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it would take the tunnel out, they couldn't get the supplies.

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Before their regression, none of the people in Lake Alsonor had been to Milborough, but

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it's possible that they could have seen pictures or heard stories about the area.

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However, one place we discovered was unknown to even lifetime residents of Milborough.

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Totally unknown to everyone but one of Marge's clients.

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It was a secret room used to hide slaves.

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The room was supposedly hidden underground near a church.

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Marge pinpointed its location using old maps and began to dig.

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We're in the middle of downtown Milborough.

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We have reason to think that there's an underground railroad hidden tunnel and room down here.

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And I heard about it just a few months ago from one of the newer girls in my Milborough

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study.

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After hours of digging, Marge broke through and found the secret room.

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You can see the room very clearly.

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You can see the green walls, green concrete walls as they were described to me.

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The planks ceiling, sod floor and Civil War era paraphernalia provided further evidence

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that this room may have been the secret room revealed under regression.

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This discovery is an important step forward in the search for proof that the mass regression

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is more than just the power of suggestion or coincidence.

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In my practice as a psychiatrist doing past life regression work, I focus primarily on

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therapy, on healing.

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The other level which Marge is doing is extremely important also.

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It's proof that this is real.

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Thanks for joining us.

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For Sightings, I'm Tim White.

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Good night.

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Next time on Sightings, are they just the stuff that legends are made of or the world's most

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elusive and frightening creations?

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We knew right off the bat that there had to be some kind of a monster in the lake.

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Monsters on the next Sightings.

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